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Topic: ”Ok, Larry, you are not gay”
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DSF
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posted August 30 2007 01:08 AM
   
John McCain claims that he insisted that Larry Craig step down from the 4 committees he was on (including the Veteran Affairs Committee, Appropriations Committee, Subcommittee on the Interior, and Energy and Natural Resources Subcommittee on Public Lands and Forests) because he admitted to committing a crime, but I can't help but feel that all this furor is because the guy is gay, and Republicans just aren't allowed to be gay.There was once a time when I might have voted for John McCain. But the more he speaks, the less I like. 
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Roxanne
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posted August 30 2007 08:44 AM
Dude, it's not the gay, it's the Senate. The governor of Idaho is a Republican, so the GOP can afford to force Craig out; a Republican would likely be picked as his replacement.As a comparison, consider Senator Vitter: a Republican Senator caught up in a sex scandal but from a state with a Democratic governor. Who do you think she'd pick to replace him? The GOP simply can't afford to hand the Dems a larger margin in the Senate.
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johnny anonymous
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posted August 30 2007 10:47 AM
For whatever he did do, didn't do, plead to doing, or plead to doing in order to hide what he really did (as eloquently accused by our noble Government who essentially, on one statement, found fault with the entire judicial system), I find a few things really remarkable about Craig's line that essentially said he entered a guilty plea to make the problem go away:
Did he not realize there is this thing called the internet which allows people to communicate information at a very rapid pace to a very large audience?
Did he not realize we are littered with 24-hour news stations that jump at every opportunity to report items whether they are newsworthy or not?
Did he not realize that practically every scandal has a "source close to the (enter proper noun here) that wished to remain anonymous" that was quite likely to out this issue to the world using outlets #1 and #2 above?
That, given 1, 2, and 3 above, there is nearly no such thing as a private life for any public figure?
How anybody could be so out-of-touch with the world he/she lives in is astounding (Idaho notwithstanding). To me, if Craig is so ignorant as to think he could hide any type of indiscretion, he is obviously too out of touch to be a leader of anything.And, of course, in that he plead guilty shows he isn't much of a Republican, either...
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Putumayo
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posted August 30 2007 11:24 AM
There was an article in Salon today about the whole bathroom sex thing. Boy, I had no idea that if you sat in a stall, tapping your foot, you were inviting someone to come on over. It's all news to me.Not that it's ever occurred to me to tap my feet while on the pot. I guess I've done it but it's probably different for females.
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Peanut
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posted August 30 2007 12:21 PM
There was a good segment on this on the Michelangelo Signori show on the OUTO Gay network on Sirius yesterday afternoon. Apparently there's a lot of anti-gay rhetoric being spewed by the talking heads on this, to virtually nobody's surprise...
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Quest
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posted August 31 2007 01:08 PM
People come on! It was never an issue that he's gay. Its the abject hypocrisy of the man!
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DSF
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posted August 31 2007 01:15 PM
You're saying that his fellow republicans are pouncing on him because he's a hypocrite? I have trouble believing that.I can buy that they see him in a weakened state, and are using that to wedge him out, though.
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Quest
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posted August 31 2007 04:48 PM
I meant the voters see him as a hypocrite. But I agree, his fellow congressman and hard core Republicans want him gone because he's gay.
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Momma Wang
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posted August 31 2007 08:40 PM
It's definitely teh gay.
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Demeter
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posted September 01 2007 04:57 PM
He can't be forced to step down because he is gay, that would be discrimination.But he can be forced to step down for committing a crime. Nevertheless, I agree with Momma Wang. It's teh gay.
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Quest
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posted September 03 2007 12:20 PM
Are you all trying to say that hypocrisy was not an issue in the Craig scandal?
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Paul Styrene
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posted September 03 2007 12:54 PM
I think it's the arithmetic:Vote or evangelize one way + do the opposite in private = a pretty nasty fall.
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DSF
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posted September 03 2007 03:14 PM
I think that as far as we are concerned, Craig's hypocrisy is a really big deal, but I don't think it factors in at all with why his status on the Hill was so completely and swiftly eviscerated. I think that the Republican machine wanted to act fast so that it didn't in any way turn into a repeat of the Foley scandal that hurt them so badly in 2006. But hypocrisy does come into play in another way : the way that Republicans want to welcome the gay voters into their big tent, but they just can't abide with them touching each other. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the Republicans might just prefer if they all just went away.
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Demeter
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posted September 03 2007 08:21 PM
Quest: Hypocrisy was an issue, but not for the Republicans. There were rumors about Craig before now, but it doesn't seem to have bothered anyone. As long as he preached against homosexuality, voted against gay marriage, and wasn't caught soliciting sex in a public restroom they seem to have been okay with it.I think it's interesting that Craig defended himself by saying "I am not gay" instead of "I don't troll men's bathrooms for sex." Eh. But it isn't as if there aren't Republican homosexuals. Paul Koering and Jim Kolbe have come out. Depending on who you believe, David Dreir, Ed Schrock, James McCrery, Mitch McConnell, and Patrick McHenry (among others) are closet queens. Barney Frank claims he knows several Republican officeholders are closeted, but he's a nice guy, and isn't outing anyone. Now, how about that David Vitter?
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Peanut
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posted September 03 2007 11:33 PM
You think GOPers want to welcome gay voters?You mean the same party that's gone to great pains to put gay marriage bans on state ballots nationwide in order to play on fears of so-called-God-fearing folks afraid that uppity gays might - horrors! - expect the same civil rights as the rest of us? I dunno, man. Sounds like the same party that's continually trying to tell us how they're courting Latinos and African Americans. Yet their conventions every four years might easily be gatherings of the White Citizens' Council, to judge from the television appearances...
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Skyline
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posted September 05 2007 07:53 AM
So according to this morning's news quote:
Sen. Larry Craig is reconsidering his decision to resign after his arrest in a Minnesota airport sex sting and may still fight for his Senate seat, his spokesman said Tuesday evening.“It’s not such a foregone conclusion anymore, that the only thing he could do was resign,” Sidney Smith, Craig’s spokesman in Idaho’s capital, told The Associated Press.
From this I presume he has moved from denial and anger into the bargaining stage. With any luck he'll get to the depression stage by this weekend and then things will get interesting!
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Samurai
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posted September 05 2007 09:17 AM
You know, if you shop-vac the spilled milk up quick enough, you can then pour it all back in the bottle. That doesn't change the fact that the milk has now mingled with whatever's on the inside of your shop-vac. I know I wouldn't drink it and I think most people wouldn't either.Just because you think you have a better legal defense (than "none"), doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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DSF
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posted September 06 2007 07:42 AM
Larry Craig is back with a vengence and not going down without a fight, even though he hasn't yet returned from Idaho after the August recess. Despite the worries of his party, the Senator now says he might not resign his Senate seat after all. And he's hired lawyer Billy Martin and some other legal and PR heavyweights and hopes to successfully challenge his guilty plea. (wapo)Now, if only he can beat that restless leg syndrome...
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DSF
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posted December 04 2007 05:32 PM
Eight men say they either had sex with Sen. Larry Craig or were targets of sexual advances by the Idaho Republican at various times during his political career, a newspaper reported Sunday. source
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Quest
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posted December 07 2007 08:38 AM
You wonder what goes on in his mind when its obvious he's gay but in public he vehemently denies it, votes against gay marriage and preaches the evil of 'homosexuality'. I don't think he is simply a liar. Craig is an example of how absurdly low a human mind can sink into a state of self-denial. I have to say Craig's mind seems child like. His hand is caught in the cookie jar and yet he thinks he is going to convince everyone its not.
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Quest
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posted December 12 2007 02:49 PM
I want one!
http://www.stupid.com/stat/LCAF.html
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